Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Mon 16 Jun 2014, 12:59

This is all very sensible advice. Many of the images which I have been posting in my POTD series are those which I shall be using in competition next season. There are no other better shots snuck away on my hard drive which I am holding back. :(

There is always a risk when submitting an image and there is something similar put in by someone else. Scoring tends to be relative to what is there on the night and a judge might compare the two and downgrade the one which they consider to be the weaker, even though the same judge might have awarded a higher mark on a different night. That's definitely a factor to consider when entering a "Rudolph" or "Tanya" shot, for example. ;)

The other thing to watch is having three images of the same subject as the judge will invariably rank them. It is far better to spread them across competitions and use something else for the other two entries if you are able.

Feedback can sometimes be useful in the quest to improve one's pohotography and on other occasions I wonder where the judge is coming from. Although I have complained elsewhere about the judge who marked a shot down because it was of a genre they did not like, at least they were being honest. Sometimes a judge has picked on a detail as an excuse to mark down an image which they simply do not like. How about lack of detail in correctly exposed glass panels on a small area of the Shard? Just what did the judge imagine would have been there that the photographer had omitted?

Finally, I completely agree with Dave that what helps most in advancing our photography is getting out there and making the shots. There is no substitute for experience.
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby davidb » Fri 20 Jun 2014, 21:52

When I made my suggestion of the same three picture in every competition in a year I wasn't expecting everyone to do it although if a number did take the opportunity I can see that it could cause problems on any given night. It was a suggestion which I didn't expect to be taken seriously and passed into the rule book. And, Mike, I am very aware of the rules of the monthly competition.

The suggestion of using the forum is something I might try. I could get hundreds (alright, tens) of judgements from fellow members before I try the images in competition.

I've been using a digital camera since 2005 and have never taken "competition" pictures. Although occasionally I might see a picture which might work in competition it is not my principle excuse for using a camera. I just enjoy photographing my days out and occasionally looking back and remembering the day. Should I be a member of Croydon Camera Club. Probably not but I do enjoy the weekly meetings and I will try to enter competition winning photographs. There's always hope that I can improve any skills I have even if Lightroom and/or Photoshop have to come to my rescue.
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Sat 21 Jun 2014, 17:18

davidb wrote:When I made my suggestion of the same three picture in every competition in a year I wasn't expecting everyone to do it although if a number did take the opportunity I can see that it could cause problems on any given night. It was a suggestion which I didn't expect to be taken seriously and passed into the rule book. And, Mike, I am very aware of the rules of the monthly competition.


As one of our newer members, I thought that you might find it helpful to have an explanation of the rationale for the current rules. My apologies that this does not appear to have been the case. There is no reason why the rules should not be amended if the majority of people are in agreement and there was a discussion about some aspects at the AGM, which lead to a change which will take effect next season.


davidb wrote:The suggestion of using the forum is something I might try. I could get hundreds (alright, tens) of judgements from fellow members before I try the images in competition.


The more people using the Image Critique forum, the better as we can all learn from what others have to say. It has definitely been beneficial to be able to get feedback from others when I am not certain about something.


davidb wrote:I've been using a digital camera since 2005 and have never taken "competition" pictures. Although occasionally I might see a picture which might work in competition it is not my principle excuse for using a camera. I just enjoy photographing my days out and occasionally looking back and remembering the day. Should I be a member of Croydon Camera Club. Probably not but I do enjoy the weekly meetings and I will try to enter competition winning photographs. There's always hope that I can improve any skills I have even if Lightroom and/or Photoshop have to come to my rescue.


First and foremost, I take photos for myself. There are some images which I personally enjoy, but which do not find favour with the judge. As I have said before, sometimes the critique is genuinely valuable and on other other occasions I am left bewildered by the comments. Hey ho, it is all subjective. This is also a game where improvement is often dependent on experience, finding out what works and what doesn't, and I have definitely benefited from my membership in that regard. In the early days, I found that there was a lot to learn and was looking for sources of information anywhere I could find it - club, Web, books, magazines, exhibitions and anything else I came across. It was, and still is, an enjoyable experience to learn something new.

Finally, I like to think that Croydon CC offers something for everyone who has an interest in photography, which is what you appear to have found. :D
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby davidc » Sun 22 Jun 2014, 04:30

I think Mike summed it up well but did want to emphasise too, taking photos YOU like is number 1 priority and anything after that is a nice to have! I definitely think that the competitions are an optional extra when it comes to enjoying photography and simply taking nice photos for yourself, occasionally sharing them with others and enjoying looking at the work of fellow members is a fantastic reason to be in the club, it's how I started :)

Aside from satisfying my inner competitive streak I also found that looking at photos critically helped me improve my own photos too but after going through a phase of being über critical/competitive I decided I had started taking it too seriously, stopped competing and just enjoyed looking at photos :) Now I think I've found a better balance!
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Sun 22 Jun 2014, 12:00

I would also add that camera club photography is not the be all and end all. Even in photography enthusiast circles, some images which do well at club level fail in competition in higher levels and vice versa. I am still trying to get my head around that one. And if you want to see photography which is different, try an exhibition at somewhere like the The Photographers' Gallery or Tate Modern. Very little of what is on display would find favour with your average club judge.
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby davidb » Sun 22 Jun 2014, 13:29

Thanks Mike and David for your feedback.

I've found something extra at CCC - the opportunity to return to my roots. I've been in accountancy all my (working) life and the opportunity to be club treasurer has given me something to do in my retirement.

I hope to have a long relationship with the club and help in the administration as much as I can. I do not want the chairmanship, however!
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Mon 23 Jun 2014, 14:22

And we are happy to have you on board, David. :D
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Wed 25 Jun 2014, 22:51

It's happened again. Paul Heester's shot "Lake Bled, Slovenia" which won tonight's Mees Trophy competition for projected image of the year is yet another example of an image which did not impress the judge when it was first shown. Congratulations to Paul for his win and successful defence of his title.
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby davidc » Thu 26 Jun 2014, 01:20

Do you have an example of it? I've always thought it'd be good to share the images that do well in competitions, especially digital because we already have those files and the photographer doesn't need to do anything!
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Re: Images That Do Better The Second Time Around

Postby Mike Farley » Thu 26 Jun 2014, 07:54

[quote="davidc"]Do you have an example of it? I've always thought it'd be good to share the images that do well in competitions, especially digital because we already have those files and the photographer doesn't need to do anything![/quote

The top scoring digital images are posted to the club's website. I'd provide a link, but the site appears to be down at the moment. Hopefully just a glitch which will be resolved by the hosting company .....
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